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alan smithee wrote:
Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

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John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp should be added.

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Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

no further discussion nor argument.
John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp should be added.

Scruluce wrote:
FWIW Langenkamp and Saxon both have self/character IMDB credits for this title.

Any chance that's just reference to clips of previous movies seen within New Nightmare?

So Saxon and Langenkamp (and Englund, who's already on the list) all satisfy
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

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alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

no further discussion nor argument.
John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp should be added.

Scruluce wrote:
FWIW Langenkamp and Saxon both have self/character IMDB credits for this title.

Any chance that's just reference to clips of previous movies seen within New Nightmare?

So Saxon and Langenkamp (and Englund, who's already on the list) all satisfy
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

?

correct. at some point during the film, Langenkamp is confused by people calling her Nancy instead of Heather, including Saxon (implying he'd also stepped back into character). Once the final climax peaks and things begin to wind down, Langenkamp opens a parcel containing a new script with a note from Wes thanking her for "playing Nancy one last time." It is an odd set of circumstances, but they both do qualify, and are listed as him/herself AND their characters on the film's IMDB page.

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Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

no further discussion nor argument.
John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp should be added.

Scruluce wrote:
FWIW Langenkamp and Saxon both have self/character IMDB credits for this title.

Any chance that's just reference to clips of previous movies seen within New Nightmare?

So Saxon and Langenkamp (and Englund, who's already on the list) all satisfy
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

?

correct. at some point during the film, Langenkamp is confused by people calling her Nancy instead of Heather, including Saxon (implying he'd also stepped back into character). Once the final climax peaks and things begin to wind down, Langenkamp opens a parcel containing a new script with a note from Wes thanking her for "playing Nancy one last time." It is an odd set of circumstances, but they both do qualify, and are listed as him/herself AND their characters on the film's IMDB page.

Any chance the IMDb credits as "Nancy" (etc.) are for clips of previous movies seen within the movie? Couldn't people be calling Langenkamp "Nancy" because, well, they're stupid (and confusing the real world (well, the real world of New Nightmare) with the world of the previous films)? Wouldn't Craven's note (within New Nightmare) be thanking HL for (being HL and) playing Nancy (somewhere)?

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PostPosted: 11 May 2011, 18:34 
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alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

no further discussion nor argument.
John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp should be added.

Scruluce wrote:
FWIW Langenkamp and Saxon both have self/character IMDB credits for this title.

Any chance that's just reference to clips of previous movies seen within New Nightmare?

So Saxon and Langenkamp (and Englund, who's already on the list) all satisfy
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

?

correct. at some point during the film, Langenkamp is confused by people calling her Nancy instead of Heather, including Saxon (implying he'd also stepped back into character). Once the final climax peaks and things begin to wind down, Langenkamp opens a parcel containing a new script with a note from Wes thanking her for "playing Nancy one last time." It is an odd set of circumstances, but they both do qualify, and are listed as him/herself AND their characters on the film's IMDB page.

Any chance the IMDb credits as "Nancy" (etc.) are for clips of previous movies seen within the movie? Couldn't people be calling Langenkamp "Nancy" because, well, they're stupid (and confusing the real world (well, the real world of New Nightmare) with the world of the previous films)? Wouldn't Craven's note (within New Nightmare) be thanking HL for (being HL and) playing Nancy (somewhere)?

to my knowledge, there are no clips of previous films in this movie.

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Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

no further discussion nor argument.
John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp should be added.

Scruluce wrote:
FWIW Langenkamp and Saxon both have self/character IMDB credits for this title.

Any chance that's just reference to clips of previous movies seen within New Nightmare?

So Saxon and Langenkamp (and Englund, who's already on the list) all satisfy
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

?

correct. at some point during the film, Langenkamp is confused by people calling her Nancy instead of Heather, including Saxon (implying he'd also stepped back into character). Once the final climax peaks and things begin to wind down, Langenkamp opens a parcel containing a new script with a note from Wes thanking her for "playing Nancy one last time." It is an odd set of circumstances, but they both do qualify, and are listed as him/herself AND their characters on the film's IMDB page.

Any chance the IMDb credits as "Nancy" (etc.) are for clips of previous movies seen within the movie? Couldn't people be calling Langenkamp "Nancy" because, well, they're stupid (and confusing the real world (well, the real world of New Nightmare) with the world of the previous films)? Wouldn't Craven's note (within New Nightmare) be thanking HL for (being HL and) playing Nancy (somewhere)?

to my knowledge, there are no clips of previous films in this movie.

FWIW, this is direct from Netflix description of the film...
Netflix wrote:
Freddy's back … and he's badder than ever! Nancy (Heather Langenkamp), the historical nemesis of the man with the satanic snarl and pitchfork fingers, discovers that a new monstrous demon has taken on Freddy's persona. Can Nancy stop this new threat in time to save her son? Nightmare director Wes Craven and Langenkamp also play themselves in this final installment of a horror classic.

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alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Scruluce wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

no further discussion nor argument.
John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp should be added.

Scruluce wrote:
FWIW Langenkamp and Saxon both have self/character IMDB credits for this title.

Any chance that's just reference to clips of previous movies seen within New Nightmare?

So Saxon and Langenkamp (and Englund, who's already on the list) all satisfy
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

?

correct. at some point during the film, Langenkamp is confused by people calling her Nancy instead of Heather, including Saxon (implying he'd also stepped back into character). Once the final climax peaks and things begin to wind down, Langenkamp opens a parcel containing a new script with a note from Wes thanking her for "playing Nancy one last time." It is an odd set of circumstances, but they both do qualify, and are listed as him/herself AND their characters on the film's IMDB page.

Any chance the IMDb credits as "Nancy" (etc.) are for clips of previous movies seen within the movie? Couldn't people be calling Langenkamp "Nancy" because, well, they're stupid (and confusing the real world (well, the real world of New Nightmare) with the world of the previous films)? Wouldn't Craven's note (within New Nightmare) be thanking HL for (being HL and) playing Nancy (somewhere)?

When they are calling her Nancy, it's because fantasy and fiction are merging and actors are "becoming" their characters. I think Scruluce summed it up perfectly above, when he points out the Wes Craven quote.

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Found this link, could add to the debate:

meta moments

did think that if Affleck was one for Jay and Silent meh... then Damon should count. But he is only playing himself, whereas Affleck was a few characters. I think meta moments are different from Smithees proposal

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This week's Community guest-starred French Stewart as Vinnie, a French Stewart impersonator.

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This week's Community guest-starred French Stewart as Vinnie, a French Stewart impersonator.

Good call.

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In this weeks House MD, House asked if anyone saw Dead Poets Society which starred Robert Sean Leonard, who plays Wilson on the show.

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Bruce Willis in Catch .44

Bruce plays a guy named Mel. The three main characters are driving after stopping at a gas station. The blonde riding shotgun (Malin Akerman) announces that she bought a cassette tape, a Bruce Willis album, for them to listen to.

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Bruce Willis in Catch .44

Bruce plays a guy named Mel. The three main characters are driving after stopping at a gas station. The blonde riding shotgun (Malin Akerman) announces that she bought a cassette tape, a Bruce Willis album, for them to listen to.

Is this a horror film?

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Bruce Willis in Catch .44

Bruce plays a guy named Mel. The three main characters are driving after stopping at a gas station. The blonde riding shotgun (Malin Akerman) announces that she bought a cassette tape, a Bruce Willis album, for them to listen to.

Is this a horror film?

:lol: nope. It tries to be one of the edgy out-of-sequence style films. It has a measure of success with its use of grindhouse style reeling to aid that storytelling method. Very bloody and violent, mostly without a lot of build up or warning.

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Speaking of Bruce Willis

in Cop Out, I think Morgan and Willis are at a stakeout (?), and Morgan started reciting famous lines from police movies for Bruce to guess, and the last one was 'Yippe ki yay motherfucker' in which Willis responds 'I haven't seen that one'.

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in Cop Out, I think Morgan and Willis are at a stakeout (?), and Morgan started reciting famous lines from police movies for Bruce to guess, and the last one was 'Yippe ki yay motherfucker' in which Willis responds 'I haven't seen that one'.

One of the funniest lines of that crap film, but I don't think it technically meets the criteria of the thread since Bruce Willis name is not actually mentioned, but this may be as close as you get to meeting the criteria without actually getting there.

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I've got one: Ryan Reynolds plays Jared in Ted.

Although they don't explicitly say Ryan Reynolds's name during the movie, Ted does say the line, "Your co-worker was making out with that Van Wilder look-alike."

Personally, I think that fits these criteria:
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  2. XY, and
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I've got one: Ryan Reynolds plays Jared in Ted.

Although they don't explicitly say Ryan Reynolds's name during the movie, Ted does say the line, "Your co-worker was making out with that Van Wilder look-alike."

Personally, I think that fits these criteria:
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  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

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I've got one: Ryan Reynolds plays Jared in Ted.

Although they don't explicitly say Ryan Reynolds's name during the movie, Ted does say the line, "Your co-worker was making out with that Van Wilder look-alike."

Personally, I think that fits these criteria:
  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

I can't remember if we've had a ruling on something like this before. No mention of "Ryan Reynolds" (or even "Ryan" or "Reynolds") occurs in the movie.

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Does Jean-Paul Belmondo playing Alfred Lubitsch in A Woman Is a Woman count? (Breathless on TV—I haven't actually seen A Woman Is a Woman.)

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alan smithee wrote:
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I've got one: Ryan Reynolds plays Jared in Ted.

Although they don't explicitly say Ryan Reynolds's name during the movie, Ted does say the line, "Your co-worker was making out with that Van Wilder look-alike."

Personally, I think that fits these criteria:
  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

I can't remember if we've had a ruling on something like this before. No mention of "Ryan Reynolds" (or even "Ryan" or "Reynolds") occurs in the movie.

No. No mention of the name. I even checked the credits to see if the character was "Ryan Reynolds lookalike", but alas, he wasn't.

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Think I might have one.

In The Campaign, Dylan McDermott plays Tim Wattley, campaign manager for Marty Huggins (Zach Galifianakis). During the closing credits, his picture is taken out before senate committee and we get the following dialogue "...is Tim Wattley ... a.k.a. 'The Greek Butcher, a.k.a. 'The Greek Baker', a.k.a. 'The Greek Candlestick Maker'... a.k.a. 'Dylan McDermott' ..."

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