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Steel Frog wrote:
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Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

Well it was weird, wasn't it? Sort of an opposite of Last Action Hero -- instead of the fictional character discovering his real life identity, it was (sort-of) like a mockumentary where the actors rediscover reality within the fiction. In any case, IIRC, New Nightmare should be on the list.

They all play themselves, while England also plays Krugger, who's killing them.

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Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

Well it was weird, wasn't it? Sort of an opposite of Last Action Hero -- instead of the fictional character discovering his real life identity, it was (sort-of) like a mockumentary where the actors rediscover reality within the fiction. In any case, IIRC, New Nightmare should be on the list.

They all play themselves, while England also plays Krugger, who's killing them.

So is this like The Player where Julia Roberts & Bruce Willis plays themselves playing characters in a movie within the movie?

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alan smithee wrote:
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Steel Frog wrote:
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Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

Well it was weird, wasn't it? Sort of an opposite of Last Action Hero -- instead of the fictional character discovering his real life identity, it was (sort-of) like a mockumentary where the actors rediscover reality within the fiction. In any case, IIRC, New Nightmare should be on the list.

They all play themselves, while Englund also plays Krueger , who's killing them.

So is this like The Player where Julia Roberts & Bruce Willis plays themselves playing characters in a movie within the movie?

Krueger in this movie is an actual character who's killing the cast of the movie who are about to shoot another movie in the series.

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snotball wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
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Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

Well it was weird, wasn't it? Sort of an opposite of Last Action Hero -- instead of the fictional character discovering his real life identity, it was (sort-of) like a mockumentary where the actors rediscover reality within the fiction. In any case, IIRC, New Nightmare should be on the list.

They all play themselves, while Englund also plays Krueger , who's killing them.

So is this like The Player where Julia Roberts & Bruce Willis plays themselves playing characters in a movie within the movie?

Krueger in this movie is an actual character who's killing the cast of the movie who are about to shoot another movie in the series.

So, even though there's a movie with the movie New Nightmare, Robert Englund plays (at least) two characters in the outermost movie (New Nightmare): himself (Englund) and Krueger?

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alan smithee wrote:
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alan smithee wrote:
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Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

Well it was weird, wasn't it? Sort of an opposite of Last Action Hero -- instead of the fictional character discovering his real life identity, it was (sort-of) like a mockumentary where the actors rediscover reality within the fiction. In any case, IIRC, New Nightmare should be on the list.

They all play themselves, while Englund also plays Krueger , who's killing them.

So is this like The Player where Julia Roberts & Bruce Willis plays themselves playing characters in a movie within the movie?

Krueger in this movie is an actual character who's killing the cast of the movie who are about to shoot another movie in the series.

So, even though there's a movie with the movie New Nightmare, Robert Englund plays (at least) two characters in the outermost movie (New Nightmare): himself (Englund) and Krueger?

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F.N.G. wrote:
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Robert Englund in New Nightmare

Why doesn't this one qualifies?

Surely it does, along with John Saxon (IIRC) and Heather Langenkamp. I loved the whole po-mo aspect of New Nightmare.

(I simply hadn't gotten around to making the post below.)

I haven't seen New Nightmare. Which of Englund, Saxon, and Langenkamp (all? some? none?) satisfy the criteria noted below?
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I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

It sounds to me like snotball has a different view of the movie from you. His description makes it sound like setting X=Englund, Y=Krueger, and Z=New Nightmare satisfies the criteria (presumably similarly for HL & JS). Am I missing something?

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alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
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snotball wrote:
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Robert Englund in New Nightmare

Why doesn't this one qualifies?

Surely it does, along with John Saxon (IIRC) and Heather Langenkamp. I loved the whole po-mo aspect of New Nightmare.

(I simply hadn't gotten around to making the post below.)

I haven't seen New Nightmare. Which of Englund, Saxon, and Langenkamp (all? some? none?) satisfy the criteria noted below?
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

It sounds to me like snotball has a different view of the movie from you. His description makes it sound like setting X=Englund, Y=Krueger, and Z=New Nightmare satisfies the criteria (presumably similarly for HL & JS). Am I missing something?

As opposed to John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp, who play themselves playing their characters in a Nightmare on Elm Street movie, Englund is playing himself as the actor in that movie and Kruger, who's out to kill the cast of actors.

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snotball wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
snotball wrote:
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Robert Englund in New Nightmare

Why doesn't this one qualifies?

Surely it does, along with John Saxon (IIRC) and Heather Langenkamp. I loved the whole po-mo aspect of New Nightmare.

(I simply hadn't gotten around to making the post below.)

I haven't seen New Nightmare. Which of Englund, Saxon, and Langenkamp (all? some? none?) satisfy the criteria noted below?
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

It sounds to me like snotball has a different view of the movie from you. His description makes it sound like setting X=Englund, Y=Krueger, and Z=New Nightmare satisfies the criteria (presumably similarly for HL & JS). Am I missing something?

As opposed to John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp, who play themselves playing their characters in a Nightmare on Elm Street movie, Englund is playing himself as the actor in that movie and Kruger, who's out to kill the cast of actors.

I've added Englund to the master list in the first post (and not HL & JS). If anyone thinks that's wrong (i.e., Englund shouldn't be there or HL &/or JS should (or even something else)), please post about it. Thanks to everyone for helping explain this crazy situation.

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If you don't mind adding TV shows, you can also add the last episode of Supernatural.

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alan smithee wrote:
snotball wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
snotball wrote:
snotball wrote:
Robert Englund in New Nightmare

Why doesn't this one qualifies?

Surely it does, along with John Saxon (IIRC) and Heather Langenkamp. I loved the whole po-mo aspect of New Nightmare.

(I simply hadn't gotten around to making the post below.)

I haven't seen New Nightmare. Which of Englund, Saxon, and Langenkamp (all? some? none?) satisfy the criteria noted below?
alan smithee wrote:
I considered the point of the list to be people who play a character in a movie that is not themselves, and within the movie, there is some reference to the real person.

In other words, for PERSON X to make the list, there must be some PERSON Y* and MOVIE Z such that

  1. PERSON X plays PERSON Y in MOVIE Z,
  2. XY, and
  3. PERSON X must in be referenced in MOVIE Z.

X="Kareem Adbul-Jabbar" in Z="Airplane!" fails criterion 2, since X=Y (Kareem is playing Kareem).

X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" fails criterion 3, since X="John (Gavin) Malkovich" doesn't seem to be mentioned in Z="Being John Malkovich" — all the John Malkovich references in the film presumably reference the fictional in-movie character Y="John (Horatio) Malkovich".



*Y is generally a fictional character

Going by that equation, all fail. All play themselves (even if they are an exagerrated, often playing towards the audience's perception of themselves).

It sounds to me like snotball has a different view of the movie from you. His description makes it sound like setting X=Englund, Y=Krueger, and Z=New Nightmare satisfies the criteria (presumably similarly for HL & JS). Am I missing something?

As opposed to John Saxon and Heather Langenkamp, who play themselves playing their characters in a Nightmare on Elm Street movie, Englund is playing himself as the actor in that movie and Kruger, who's out to kill the cast of actors.

I've added Englund to the master list in the first post (and not HL & JS). If anyone thinks that's wrong (i.e., Englund shouldn't be there or HL &/or JS should (or even something else)), please post about it. Thanks to everyone for helping explain this crazy situation.

I have to weigh in here... New Nightmare isn't about the cast filming another Nightmare movie. It is about the cast seeing unexplained phenomena soon associated with some "boogieman" spirit kept contained by the Nightmare movies. Since they hadn't made a new film in awhile, the spirit was beginning to manifest as Freddy and tormenting the cast of the films. The role of Freddy is credited "as himself". IMDB gives Englund the acting credit, but that particular Freddy looked more like John Saxon IMO. That aside, Englund would qualify since IMDB gives him the credit. He appears on screen as himself and as Freddy. Langenkamp plays as herself for the entire film, however she receives a note from Wes Craven at the end of the film thanking her for portraying Nancy on last time. John Saxon appears as both character and himself at some point during the film as well. FWIW Langenkamp and Saxon both have self/character IMDB credits for this title.

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If you don't mind adding TV shows, you can also add the last episode of Supernatural.

I had been avoiding this, probably mostly because I suspected it would lead to a lot more instances (and thus work on my part) and because they might be harder to verify (if the show weren't on DVD, e.g.) Umm, but what actors/actresses form the last (6x15 Feb 26?) episode of Supernatural?

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alan smithee wrote:
snotball wrote:
If you don't mind adding TV shows, you can also add the last episode of Supernatural.

I had been avoiding this, probably mostly because I suspected it would lead to a lot more instances (and thus work on my part) and because they might be harder to verify (if the show weren't on DVD, e.g.) Umm, but what actors/actresses form the last (6x15 Feb 26?) episode of Supernatural?

Jared Padalecki (Sam Winchester)
Jensen Ackles (Dean Winchester)
Misha Collins (Castiel)
Genevieve Cortese (Jared Padalecki's wife; played Ruby earlier in the series)

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alan smithee wrote:
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If you don't mind adding TV shows, you can also add the last episode of Supernatural.

I had been avoiding this, probably mostly because I suspected it would lead to a lot more instances (and thus work on my part) and because they might be harder to verify (if the show weren't on DVD, e.g.) Umm, but what actors/actresses form the last (6x15 Feb 26?) episode of Supernatural?

I would avoid this category altogether unless opening a new thread. This gets real dicey. There were at least three characters that also appeared as themselves. It gets dicey when you consider others that have appeared in past episodes (Genevive as Ruby) who were in this episode but whose character was not in this episode. Genevive may not qualify anyway as she appeared as Genevive Padalecki (John Malkovich rule).

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Re:new nightmare, the other two qualify. There's the short version.

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Ugh re Supernatural.

Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

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Ugh re Supernatural.

Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

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TV cases should be in a TV thread. You commented to that effect early on.
snotty's synopsis was flawed, but he was right about all 3 people mentioned.

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Ugh re Supernatural.

Ugh re New Nightmare. Please try to reach consensus if possible.

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TV cases should be in a TV thread. You commented to that effect early on.
snotty's synopsis was flawed, but he was right about all 3 people mentioned.

I was relying on my memory. I think it starts to show that I'm getting old and senile.

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I just read this in an article on Cracked.com:

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In the Badass Olympics, there is one badass who takes the competition, shoves a .44 Magnum into their face, growls something Batman-esque and proceeds to paint the sidewalk with their cranial matter. That man is Harry Callahan, and even if you've got a prostate the size of Antarctica, you can be damn sure you'll be pissing your pants when he comes to town.

In the first Dirty Harry film, Clint Eastwood's Callahan was an inspector for the San Francisco Police Department. When he wasn't busy killing hippies and trying to preserve what little masculinity was left in that city, he was on the trail of Scorpio, a depraved serial killer who loved to taunt the police. Since no one taunts Harry Callahan and gets away with it, he'd pretty much signed his own death warrant at that point.

As it turns out, Dirty Harry, one of the baddest motherfuckers ever to grace the screen, was inspired by this dude on the left:

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Dave Toschi was, like Dirty Harry, an inspector in the San Francisco Police Department and, strangely, Dirty Harry wasn't the first--or last--time somebody would work him into a movie. The flamboyant-even-for-San-Francisco cop would serve as the inspiration for 1968's Bullitt, in which the main character (Steve McQueen's Frank Bullitt) was based on Toschi, complete with an upside-down quick-draw shoulder holster.

It was actually in the couple of years after Bullitt when Toschi would gain nationwide fame as one of the investigators tracking down the real-life Zodiac killer. For the second time, Toschi made such an impression that a Hollywood writer ran home and tried to work him into a screenplay.

Thus, in 1971, Toschi would see another fictionalized version of himself on the silver screen, in the form of Dirty Harry, where Harry hunts down the "Scorpio" killer. The difference being that while the Zodiac case never got solved, Dirty Harry finds Scorpio and kills his fucking ass.

So were filmmakers suggesting that Toschi secretly capped the Zodiac killer in his off hours and left his body floating face-down in a quarry? Not exactly. Dirty Harry writer John Milius said the whole "shoot the fucker and save on the trial" aspect of Dirty Harry was inspired by another cop, a friend of his in Long Beach who remained unnamed, probably to avoid the wrath of Internal Affairs.

Here's where it gets bizarre: In 2007, Toschi would then see himself on screen a third time, this time under his real name, played by Mark Ruffalo in David Fincher's Zodiac.

That film actually portrays the character Toschi attending a showing of Dirty Harry. The real Toschi worked as an advisor on Zodiac, which means at some point the real Toschi attended a screening of a film portraying him, played by an actor, attending a screening of a different film portraying him, played by a different actor.


I know its not really what this thread was looking for, but I still thought it was pretty cool

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I remember that in one of the Bridget Jones books there was a scene where Bridget Jones interviews the actor Colin Firth (Who also plays the Mark Darcy in the Bridget Jones movies) - was this scene in one of the films? If so, surely a contender?


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I remember that in one of the Bridget Jones books there was a scene where Bridget Jones interviews the actor Colin Firth (Who also plays the Mark Darcy in the Bridget Jones movies) - was this scene in one of the films? If so, surely a contender?

It didn't make it into the movie, but they did a scene of "Bridget Jones" interviewing Colin Firth as a DVD extra.


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Here's a close one: In Cedar Rapids, Isaiah Whitlock, Jr. plays Ronald Wilkes, a man who likes antiquing and "the HBO show, "The Wire"." Unfortunately, he only references Omar and not himself. Sheeeet.

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I just read this in an article on Cracked.com:

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In the Badass Olympics, there is one badass who takes the competition, shoves a .44 Magnum into their face, growls something Batman-esque and proceeds to paint the sidewalk with their cranial matter. That man is Harry Callahan, and even if you've got a prostate the size of Antarctica, you can be damn sure you'll be pissing your pants when he comes to town.

In the first Dirty Harry film, Clint Eastwood's Callahan was an inspector for the San Francisco Police Department. When he wasn't busy killing hippies and trying to preserve what little masculinity was left in that city, he was on the trail of Scorpio, a depraved serial killer who loved to taunt the police. Since no one taunts Harry Callahan and gets away with it, he'd pretty much signed his own death warrant at that point.

As it turns out, Dirty Harry, one of the baddest motherfuckers ever to grace the screen, was inspired by this dude on the left:

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Dave Toschi was, like Dirty Harry, an inspector in the San Francisco Police Department and, strangely, Dirty Harry wasn't the first--or last--time somebody would work him into a movie. The flamboyant-even-for-San-Francisco cop would serve as the inspiration for 1968's Bullitt, in which the main character (Steve McQueen's Frank Bullitt) was based on Toschi, complete with an upside-down quick-draw shoulder holster.

It was actually in the couple of years after Bullitt when Toschi would gain nationwide fame as one of the investigators tracking down the real-life Zodiac killer. For the second time, Toschi made such an impression that a Hollywood writer ran home and tried to work him into a screenplay.

Thus, in 1971, Toschi would see another fictionalized version of himself on the silver screen, in the form of Dirty Harry, where Harry hunts down the "Scorpio" killer. The difference being that while the Zodiac case never got solved, Dirty Harry finds Scorpio and kills his fucking ass.

So were filmmakers suggesting that Toschi secretly capped the Zodiac killer in his off hours and left his body floating face-down in a quarry? Not exactly. Dirty Harry writer John Milius said the whole "shoot the fucker and save on the trial" aspect of Dirty Harry was inspired by another cop, a friend of his in Long Beach who remained unnamed, probably to avoid the wrath of Internal Affairs.

Here's where it gets bizarre: In 2007, Toschi would then see himself on screen a third time, this time under his real name, played by Mark Ruffalo in David Fincher's Zodiac.

That film actually portrays the character Toschi attending a showing of Dirty Harry. The real Toschi worked as an advisor on Zodiac, which means at some point the real Toschi attended a screening of a film portraying him, played by an actor, attending a screening of a different film portraying him, played by a different actor.


I know its not really what this thread was looking for

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Here's a close one: In Cedar Rapids, Isaiah Whitlock, Jr. plays Ronald Wilkes, a man who likes antiquing and "the HBO show, "The Wire"." Unfortunately, he only references Omar and not himself. Sheeeet.

Sheeeet indeed.

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Ethan Suplee was on Raising Hope, and Martha Plimpton said

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Ethan Suplee was on Raising Hope, and Martha Plimpton said

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“Your husband looks like a skinny version of that fat guy from Mallrats!”

we need a TV thread for these, and some consensus on rules...

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